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You know what is really sad? I really like your art, and the other top member's of drawrawr. I think you're all super talented artist. Except ashes, then again is he even an artist? I digress. It's a shame all this negativity happened :(
I suppose it is. And yes, Ashes is actually a good artist, he just doesn't feel the need to share his artwork with the world.
I can't say as I understand why it is you didn't answer my comment about grouping people into one category, as it wasn't trolling, I just genuinely don't understand it.
I'm curious though, have you ever been a part of Drawrawr? If you had, you'd know that the Drawrawr community is very small and very close-nit. For the most part, we're quite friendly with each other and there's barely any drama whatsoever (in comparison to Sheezy and DA and FA, etc.).
So I don't understand why it is people call us "Drawrawrians" in a negative way or refer to us as a posse of trolls. That and the fact we frequent other sites far more or as much as we do Drawrawr, so we're more than just that. Most of us have been on SA for 4-6 years before DR was even made.
I can only assume the people who do that didn't get into Beta.
As for this whole situation, I really think you'd have been better off deleting comments instead of answering them and not making journals that mentioned or involved trolls, mostly because that draws them to you and most of them are very very clever and can portray you as an idiot to the public who views the comments. But that's just my opinion really.
I have a close friend (protecting name, don't want to put a target on his back) who was telling me how great drawrawr was and how I should join. My brother joined as well, he got tired of it and hated the point system, so he left. Any that friend even gave me something that would've let me, but I was busy with other things at the time. One month he calls me up with is tale in-between his legs talking about ashes and his gang were bulling him, and how catherine didn't want to talk to him anymore because they were too "different", what ever that means. Then after this event I have more people came out about being bullied on drawrawr. Drawrawr has a mentioning on encyclopedia dramatica about the site is full of trolls.
You're right, I have should of not responded to him, i just didn't want to sit still while he shat in my face, and the friends of mine he was poking fun of. I try take care of my own, but I know how to handle him. Everyone makes mistakes. I know he doesn't like this site, but why does he come here? He is a mod on drawrawr, why should he care about this site? This site is a lot better now, we don't need a "king of sheezy" saying rude things, making fun of people's art call it generic, like to my friend [thatartistladu]. He's not helpful, he wasn't even that clever, he was silly. He also try to say he was using this insult , then why he spread his attack to me, my page, my members, and my friends. He made his point, I just think he went to far. You and your friends said some really cruel things about my members, I'd at least like apology for that. We aren't all furries, we're not fags. We got a highly diverse group of artist in this OCT, we don't care about level of talent, or art style. We just want to have fun. So don't generalize us (I saw your comments making fun of us, Dog anuses flapping together or something it was kinda funny), and we won't generalize you. Crap if that sounds like a threat at the end i'm sorry, I was trying to get a point across? X'D
also drawrawrian is not an insult, I just thought members of the site call themselves. I call members of sheezy, Shartists.
"My brother joined as well, he got tired of it and hated the point system, so he left."
-What does he mean by 'Point System'? One was never established on Drawrawr my friend There was talk of it at one point, but it was never put into action.
"One month he calls me up with is tale in-between his legs talking about ashes and his gang were bulling him, and how catherine didn't want to talk to him anymore because they were too "different", what ever that means."
-Have you also been informed that Catherine banned Elemix and Fridge from the beta? Due to that behaviour? I'm assuming that's who they mean when they refer to Ashes "gang". Though I really don't think he has much of a gang in all honesty. In any case, Catherine does listen to the complaints she gets, the fact that the people who were harassing got banned is proof of that. Also, I'm not sure I really believe that Cat wouldn't talk to him any more because he was 'too different'. Because Cat talked to just about everyone with complaints and tried to be kind to them about it. Even if he didn't feel like Cat was listening, there are 7+ other moderators who could have brought up his issue and talked to him about it so it could be resolved, myself included (as a lot of people, example being OnlyHuman and Ghostingfish came to me with issues and I brought it infront of officer chat and it was discussed).
"Then after this event I have more people came out about being bullied on drawrawr"
-Again, I'd like to state that the people who were doing the unjustified harassing and 'trolling' were banned. There are some cases of people being, well, not 'harassed' but being talked to negatively due to things THEY have said that others took as rude. You need to keep in mind that in some cases people set themselves up for being a target of negativity based on their attitude and if they say something that comes off as rude. And in that case it's not them being 'trolled' it's them facing the opinion of others on what they've said or how their acting.
"Drawrawr has a mentioning on encyclopedia dramatica about the site is full of trolls. "
- That was written by a person who had a bad experience with the site. Not everyone on Drawrawr is a troll, there are actually a TON of super nice people who get wrongly labeled 'troll' due to the actions of maybe 5 individuals. Is that really fair?
"I know he doesn't like this site, but why does he come here?He is a mod on drawrawr, why should he care about this site?"
-Unknown to you, at one point Ashes really really loved this site. He even applied to be a moderator here. When he came back this time did you realize that the only thing he did in the beginning was make aware the fact that a Sheezyart rule was being broken? He didn't exactly troll people, just just shoved the fact that the rules were being unjustly ignored into the public so that the Sheezy moderators would have to do something about it. Yes, you got a ban warning, and I think you took it as a personal attack. But the only point he was making really this time was the point of rules being broken, people might get annoyed, and no one is doing anything.
"You and your friends said some really cruel things about my members, I'd at least like apology for that. We aren't all furries, we're not fags. We got a highly diverse group of artist in this OCT, we don't care about level of talent, or art style. We just want to have fun. So don't generalize us (I saw your comments making fun of us, Dog anuses flapping together or something [] it was kinda funny), and we won't generalize you. Crap if that sounds like a threat at the end i'm sorry, I was trying to get a point across? X'D"
-Are you not aware that I am also a furry artist? Ashes made a retarded journal, no one took it seriously so they commented on it not seriously. I think you took it to personally. When I commented I didn't even know your OCT existed, in all honesty. I simply replied to it with sarcasm and with unseriousness, my comment based on a ton of experiences I've had with furry artists on FA. No, I will not apologize for my comment, as it was not directed at anyone in particular and it wasn't even serious. Sometimes you need to be able to make jokes and laugh at yourself. As a 'furry artist', I wasn't offended by any of it at all. And the whole journal itself was so unserious, why would you take any of it to heart? You even said that some of it made you laugh! So i digress, you just need to not take things so seriously and learn to laugh at yourself. I had no idea at all that such an OC existed, so I was just playing along with the unseriousness of the journal. Don't be so paranoid next time and assume things are insults or that people are out to get you, when that's really not the case!
"also drawrawrian is not an insult, I just thought members of the site call themselves. I call members of sheezy, Shartists."
- But we are also members of Sheezyart! I've been here 6 years for example. Some are also members of Furaffinity and Deviantart! We're members of so many things that it's impossible to label us on just one :)
I hope that clarified some things for you, and even managed to be helpful. Er, well, it better be helpful seeing as how it's friggin gigantic!
-really? well i don't know if he'll come back. He's super busy, its barely got time for art site as it is.
-onlyhuman and ghosting fish are the members i was talking about. More of onlyhuman.
-Okay.
-I'm sorry but he trolled people. I'm still on that issue. Why did I get painted as a guy that if you disagree I get angry and you? I don't do that. I am usually try to be nice to everyone.Why paint me as a villain. Should I have gotten banned? I don't know. I thought the warning was appropriate, but if i did get banned I wouldn't complain. Lomein is doing his job. If rules get broken, shit happens. The people in charge can't handle it all, despite sheezy being smaller than DA, we are still quite large. They can't swoop down like superheros at every sign of trouble. Ashes isn't a mod here. I really can't find any reason to defend him. He acts like a chid who always wants to get his way, and whines when he doesn't. I got a 7 year old sister who does that. I don't need that experience on the site. I like this site, its got everything I want.
-Okay understood. if we're not getting an apology form you or the others talking smack, then I am not gonna force that on you guys. I kinda want apology form ashes, he took a misunderstanding and turned into propaganda. Hell i'd apologize if he want me to. If he doesn't want to, thats fine, and i'll be on my merry way.
-The reason I specified drawrawr, is this because the only people complaining were people who's activity is focused on Drawrawr. Some of the people who complained were people were those who haven't logged on here for months. I just complaining that the site is going to die. Apparently 2012 is the apocalypse for sheezy art.
Yeah I've been paranoid, I took it heart. I'm over it. The explosion is dying down, unless something happened and I didn't know it.
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-I didn't say/think that if you disagreed with something you'd get angry at me? I'm actually not sure where that came from. I don't think anyone really painted you as a villain to be honest, I think you're the only one so far that feels that way when really you don't have to because no one else thinks that about you. I don't think you should have gotten banned, nor did I even mention that you should have been. So I don't understand why you're being so defensive in these statements as I never really said anything about you being a 'villain' or needing 'banning' or about you being a bad person at all. I simply said that all Ashes really did was shove the fact a rule was being broken into the public. I never once said you had to 'defend' his actions or even agree with them, I was simply answering your question. If you dislike him, than ignore him. It's really that simple.
- "talking smack" , again, I'd like to clarify that no one was 'talking smack'. They were simply joking around. It's the same as if you're with a group of friends and jokingly make a remark about something. For example, if you were to say "Look at that sun up there, all smug. Causing people skin cancer just because he can and killing the small starving children of africa." while joking around with friends, should people be offended and call you out as 'talking smack about the sun'? Should you feel responsible to apologize when all you were doing was joking around with no specific intentions of being malicious? Because that's really all the comments on that journal were (I'm not saying the journal itself wasn't meant to be rude, I'm simply stating the comments on it weren't meant that way, especially since some parties that commented had no idea you made an OCT at all). Again, you're taking it as a personal attack of some form when it really isn't at all and that's just silly. Also, I highly doubt you'll get any form of apology from Ashes. So feel free to excuse that idea.
-How is it focused on Drawrawr exactly? I don't really understand what you mean by that, I'm sorry :S
-it was one of the things he posted on the original picture he posted of me xiahn back and forth. I felt my integrity was being attacked, sorry, it was personal to me. I dislike the guy, yah, i think he needs to get over himself, maybe he's the worst humanity has to offer, really i'm ignoring him from now on.
-Idea excused.
-I mean all almost site activity is directed there.
"My brother joined as well, he got tired of it and hated the point system, so he left"
We've..never had a point system...?
" One month he calls me up with is tale in-between his legs talking about ashes and his gang were bulling him, and how catherine didn't want to talk to him anymore because they were too "different", what ever that means."
W-what? I don't think I've ever said that to anybody. :z
There's people on DR that annoy the heck out of me, and I've never told them to stop talking to me or that I don't want to talk. Ever.. Whoever told you that was either lying or completely misunderstood something I said..
"Drawrawr has a mentioning on encyclopedia dramatica about the site is full of trolls. "
I don't understand why people don't like Owljems. When she was on DR she was nothing but pleasant. and a fantastic artist.
That didn't draw any freaky porn whatsoever.
I know what ED is. It's just that I don't think she's even very worth parodying.
and especially not to the degree that she is.
ED is kind of stupid nowadays. It used to be hilarious and great but now it's almost like it's just some place for stupid people to bitch and moan anonymously about people they don't like.
Kind of feel bad for her.
No, no, no, I used to love ED. ED as a whole isn't bad, I know that. But every once in a while (more like 50% of the time nowadays) I see an article about some 'faggot' drawing 'furry art' that isn't even furry art being 'stupid' when in reality they're behaving like a totally normal and honestly boring and uninteresting human being and it's like..
"Why is this even on here? I don't get it..What's the joke.."
People describe someone's actions as "cute". What I mean by that is, if someone spits on another person, and said person who got spit on goes "That was cute".
Ugh.
It just makes that person sound so flamboyant.
"Oh ho ho, that was simply hilarious dear boy! You're quite the comedian. How cute!"
It's just...So, so so so irritatingly flamboyant/arrogant sounding. Makes me think of a person who is trying to make themselves sound smart and cool and make it seem like they don't care about what just happened and the other person is just beneath them or something v-v;
There are ways to sound smart and show your level of maturity over others without sounding like an asshat and making people like you less ;~;
No offense to anyone, if you like to come off as flamboyant and whatnot, this is just one of my many pet-peeves that I really don't understand why people do.
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it was kinda funny), and we won't generalize you. Crap if that sounds like a threat at the end i'm sorry, I was trying to get a point across? X'D
There was talk of it at one point, but it was never put into action. 
